HFAC Happenings
We often ask our supporters to request that their supermarkets carry Certified Humane® products. We know this may seem like a small action, but one person’s efforts can truly make a difference. We’re sharing an email that we received recently in hopes that more people will see the change that one person can make, and decide to do something about it themselves.
Dear Adele and all:
I was THRILLED yesterday, when I found a new brand of cage-free eggs on the shelves at my local Giant Food store (North Point Village, Reston). The brand is “Nellie’s”. I was pleasantly surprised at how competitively priced they were. (I *think* they were less expensive than Giant’s store brand.) So this was the whole package for me — cage-free, competitively priced — and THEN seeing the Certified Humane® seal on them. I was thrilled! I’ve never seen any Certified Humane® items at Giant Food before.
When I got home, I called Giant’s corporate offices in Landover, MD, to tell them how thrilled I was to see the Certified Humane® seal in their store. And to encourage Giant to stock MORE items with the Certified Human®e seal. The lady I spoke with didn’t know about the Certified Humane® seal, so I explained. I told her other stores, such as Whole Foods, Safeway, Harris Teeter, DO stock products with the Certified Humane® seal — and that if Giant Food would stock products with the CH seal, I could do all my shopping in one store: Giant Food. I explained that, until now, I’ve had to go to these other stores for meat, poultry, dairy bearing the CH® seal …. I also told her that I normally spend a substantial amount of money each week in grocery stores (which is true), hoping I was adding incentive by saying that.
The lady I spoke with sounded truly interested and enthusiastic — and said she was going to pass the information along IMMEDIATELY, that she was typing it up as we spoke, because it sounds like something Giant should be doing.
I can only hope….
~ Robyn Berry
Reston, VA
We hope that Ms. Berry’s experience will encourage others to contact supermarkets as well. If you would like to do your part to fight cruelty in the raising and handling of farm animals, visit our “Take Action” page on our website, found at the following link: http://www.certifiedhumane.org/index.php?page=take-action
Our “Take Action” page has forms available for download which you can give to your grocer, requesting them to carry additional Certified Humane® products or to thank them for already stocking them. We also suggest that you try contact food companies directly to ask them to become Certified Humane®, or to contact your supermarket’s corporate headquarters, as Robyn did.
It is so important that supermarkets hear from you, because they are the largest purchasers from suppliers. If more supermarkets are demanding more Certified Humane® products, more farms will have to change their practices in order to meet the demand, and more animals will be raised and handled humanely.
If you would like to volunteer to help spread the news about Certified Humane®, please send an email to info@certifiedhumane.org, including your mailing address, and Humane Farm Animal Care will send you information and request forms to share with your friends and neighbors.
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HFAC Celebrates Ten Years of Improving the Lives of Farm Animals
In the late 1990’s and early part of this new century, as I worked in Congress and lobbied Congress on animal issues, it was clear that farm animal welfare was a huge issue and not being addressed by anyone. There were some organizations that promoted not eating animals at all, and some that were supporting legislation to change practices of farm animal housing. There were also commodity groups who were not interested in changing anything. Having worked in the Congress, and researched the history of animal welfare legislation, it was clear to me that if I wanted to see change in the way farm animals were raised in the US it would have to be through a market solution and not a legislative solution. It took almost 100 years to get the national “Humane Slaughter Act” passed. I wanted to see change in my lifetime.
My background was public policy and legislation. I wanted to do something for farm animals and didn’t have any idea of what to do. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) in England, which was the first humane society in the world, had a program that I had heard about for farm animals and I wanted to see what that was about. I went to England and met with the Freedom Foods people and the Farm Animals division of the RSPCA to learn about their program. The RSPCA had written standards for farm animals and had created a separate organization, Freedom Foods to find farmers who would meet those standards, then label the product “Freedom Foods” and sell the product at retailers in the UK. At that time Tesco, a major supermarket in the UK was the primary retailer that sold Freedom Foods products. When I looked at that program I realized that if I wanted to change an industry, I couldn’t do it by competing, it had to be a program where everyone in that industry could participate. I came home and decided to start a certification and labeling program to do just that.
The process began with the first animal scientists, Dr. Carolyn Stull, Dr. Janice Swanson, Dr. Joy Mench and the late Dr. Julie Morrow Tesch and the help of the RSPCA farm animals division, Dr. Martin Potter, Dr. Julia Wrathall and John Avizienious, and the staff at Freedom Foods. It was a long learning process.
On February 20, 2003, Humane Farm Animal Care (HFAC) was incorporated in the District of Columbia by our attorney, Beth Kingsley, with Dr. Joanne Irving’s name as the first director, and HFAC was officially founded! Today is our tenth anniversary. We started with a staff of two, my daughter, Holly Bridges and I. We involved all the family in helping: my son Brian Douglass, my other daughter, Meredith Berger and a large group of friends and colleagues without whom this program would not exist. We sought advice from Dr. Kathleen Merrigan, Barry Carpenter, James Riva, and Tammy Ballard of USDA who guided us to make sure we were doing what we were supposed to be doing, and Lynn Coody, who helped us ensure that our program met international standards. Andrew Kimbrell and Michael Selmi, who made sure everything was legal. Patti Higgenbotham and Theresa Hutchison, who made sure our accounting was accurate. The late Linda Konstan who helped with our personnel policies, Maureen K. Robinson who offered guidance on how to move the organization forward. Gini Barrett, Margaret Moran, Mary Geraghty, Jack and Ann Sparks, Jane Quilter, who helped with outreach and PR. Sandy Lerner and Lynn Marachario, early believers and supporters, and the incredible Caryn Ginsburg, whose marketing research, planning, and implementation of marketing outreach enabled us to recruit producers and engage consumers in order to get the spectacular results we have gotten over the years. Victoria Foulides, Paula Barrett and Gita McCutcheon, who have helped us with fundraising, outreach and public relations.
A special thanks to the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (MSPCA) and the other early supporters of the Certified Humane® program.
The original four companies that were certified and launched with us were Echo Farm Puddings, Touchstone Farms, Ayrshire Farm, and duBreton Natural Pork, and are still with us today. During that year, Prather Ranch Beef, Meyer Natural Angus Beef and Pete and Gerry’s eggs came on to the program. They are all still certified and part of the program. At the end of 2003, there were 143,000 animals raised under our standards.
At the end of 2012, there were 76.8 million farm animals raised under our standards and 94 companies certified.
My goal was to have 1% of the farm animals raised for food, raised under our standards in 10 years. We have fallen short by 23.2 million farm animals. I would like to reach this goal by 2014. We need your help to reach this goal; please keep promoting the program, and keep asking your supermarkets for products that are Certified Humane® so we can meet this goal and keep moving forward.
Thanks for all your support,
Adele
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Finally, the milk producers are following our lead
One of the most egregious welfare issues in dairy production is the practice of tail docking. The practice of tail docking started in New Zealand in the 1980’s and soon spread to North America. The reason it gained in popularity was farmers claimed it improved their ease of milking the cows, their ability to keep cows clean and their ability to keep the cow’s udder’s healthy. This made managing dairy cows easier for the farmers.
Unfortunately, no one thought of the impact on the cows. Cows use their tails for many purposes, including swatting flies, and to communicate with other cows. When a cow’s tail is docked, it is painful. There is no welfare benefit to the cow for undergoing this painful procedure, and when her tail is docked she can’t swat flies and she can’t use it to communicate with her herd mates.
Tail docking has never been allowed for dairy cattle in the Certified Humane® program. The decision to prohibit tail docking was made by our scientific committee, led by Dr. Carolyn Stull. Dr. Stull was one of four animal scientists that helped write the original HFAC Animal Care Standards, and is the Chair of our Scientific Committee. Dr. Stull has conducted numerous research projects assessing the issues around tail docking, and her results have shown that tail docking is a painful procedure, and that the theoretical benefits of tail docking do not actually exist. Thanks to Dr. Stull’s work, it is now known that there is no benefit to the farmer to dock their cows’ tails, and it is an unnecessary and painful procedure.
Unfortunately, tail docking has been a widespread practice in the US commercial dairy industry. The dairy industry trade association, the National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF), has never prohibited tail docking. However, on July 23, 2012 the NMPF Board of Directors approved a resolution to oppose tail docking of dairy cows in their industry guidelines, the Dairy FARM program. Their decision also aligns their FARM program with the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) and the American Association of Bovine Practitioners (AABP). The Board voted to approve the following language:
“NMPF’s National Dairy FARM Animal Care Program opposes the routine tail docking of dairy animals, except in the case of traumatic injury to an animal. This practice is recommended to be phased out by 2022. Switch trimming is recommended as a preferred alternative. Acknowledging existing animal cruelty laws, NMPF opposes efforts to prescribe specific on-farm animal care practices through federal, state, or local legislative or regulatory action.”
Dr. Stull has been instrumental in getting the industry group to change their position. We congratulate Dr. Stull on this achievement.
While we commend the NMPF on opposing tail docking in dairy cows, we feel that ten years is far too long to wait for implementing this policy. When a farmer wants to become Certified Humane® and has practiced tail docking in the past, they must immediately cease all tail docking on their cows, or we will not certify them. We have not found that any dairy farm which immediately ceased tail docking has had problems. We would urge the NMPF to change the phase out period to two years instead of ten years.
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Help us get Fresh Direct to Carry Certified Humane® products!
We’ve received some exciting news from one of our supporters. She recently contacted FreshDirect, an online grocery company that delivers groceries in the New York City area, and asked them to carry Certified Humane® meat, eggs and dairy products. She told us that their response was, “if more people ask for Certified Humane® products, we will consider carrying them.”
So, we need your help! Anyone living in the New York City area, where Fresh Direct delivers … Can you contact Fresh Direct at service@freshdirect.com and ask them to carry Certified Humane® products? By making your voice heard, you will be doing your part to spread the word about Certified Humane® products and make them even more widely available to consumers. Below is a sample email you can send to Fresh Direct. Tell your friends to contact them too! Together, we can make a difference for farm animals.
Dear Fresh Direct,
I’m writing to ask you to carry products that are Certified Humane Raised and Handled®. I know that products with this specific certification come from animals that were raised with strict humane standards from birth through the slaughter process.
The nation’s leading humane organizations back the Certified Humane® program and USAToday called Certified Humane® a gold standard.
This is a label that I trust and I would like to purchase Certified Humane® products from your website. I ask that you start selling products that are Certified Humane®. You can find more information on the Certified Humane® program at CertifiedHumane.org.
Sincerely,
Your name
Your address
City, State, Zip
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Dairy Cows need your help…
Look carefully in the dairy area of your supermarkets and you are likely to see many different egg products that are Certified Humane®. Being Certified Humane® is a badge of honor for farmers and the grocers who sell their products. They recognize it’s the right thing to do…. it’s also good business.
Two of the most common products in the supermarket dairy aisle are eggs and milk. Despite the public’s increasing demand for animal products coming from animals produced humanely, the vast majority of dairy farmers have not felt the need to become Certified Humane®. As a result, there are very few Certified Humane® dairy products and NO Certified Humane® milk products available in your grocer’s fridge. Indeed, there are less than 25 cow dairy farms in the US that are certified by either Certified Humane® or Animal Welfare Approved®, the two animal welfare certification programs that have the highest standards and most rigorous and comprehensive inspection programs.
The most common explanation we’ve heard for the lack of Certified Humane® dairies is the belief of dairy farmers that the public doesn’t care. “Where’s the demand?” we’ve heard from countless dairy farmers; supermarkets, too, are not hearing from consumers like you asking for them to supply Certified Humane® dairy products.
And they’re right – not enough consumers are making their voices heard about their desire for humanely raised dairy products.
I know that if milk producers thought the public wanted proof that they take proper care of their dairy cows and produce milk products under humane conditions — they would apply for certification.
Informed consumers want to know that the milk they provide for their family came from cows which are not constrained in tie stalls and are free to move about, are provided a healthy diet free from antibiotics and growth hormones like rBST, and are required to have access to the outdoors. That’s what is required to be Certified Humane®.So go to our Take Action Page to see all the ways you can help us get more dairy farmers on the program – you can download a dairy product request form here. When you go to your supermarket, hand in the request form to the grocery manager, or customer service desk. Ask your friends and neighbors to do the same. Let’s work together to let dairy farmers know that you do care about how dairy cows are treated.
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We have revised our Animal Care Standards for Beef Cattle and Dairy Cows
For many years, we have worked with our farmers and ranchers to identify practical ways to reduce the stress and sometimes pain that beef cattle and dairy cows experience after routine husbandry practices such as castration. Previously, there were no medications available to farmers which could be easily used in the field, or that provided effective pain control to the animals.
In June of 2011, we initiated the review and revision process of our beef cattle, dairy cattle and young dairy beef standards with a week-long meeting of dairy and beef science members of our Scientific Committee (you can see a complete listing of the members here). The focus of the meeting was to review and evaluate the farm animal welfare research that had been done since the last revision of the standards, and to incorporate the new findings into the standards. When we learned of new, safer and easier to administer methods of providing animals with the needed analgesia, it was important to integrate them into the HFAC standards.
There is now an effective painkiller that can be easily administered by a farmer during routine handling, and that provides relief to the animal from the pain of procedures such as castration. Due to this new finding, HFAC standards now require cattle to receive pain control when undergoing painful procedures.
The revised standards, which became effective January 15, 2012 are the end product of that review and revision process. The revised standards require that cattle must receive pain control when undergoing painful husbandry procedures
HFAC is the only national animal welfare organization to make pain control a key component of farm animal welfare certification standards. We have been working to educate farmers and ranchers on how to implement the new standards and meet the requirements for providing pain control. Our commitment is to maintain the nation’s strongest farm animal welfare standards, and the introduction of new pain control requirements illustrates that fact.
Ed Sayres, President and CEO of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), and a member of the HFAC Board of Directors, notes that “once again, Certified Humane® is tackling the big issues and helping to redefine what it means to promote animal welfare, especially the humane treatment of farm animals.”
The revised standards also clarify the importance of maintaining safe and humane conditions in the transportation of animals, and prohibit the use of genetically modified or cloned animals. Additionally, the standards now include a series of scientific appendices that provide critical information to farms on topics such as temperature/humidity indexes, methods of weaning, lameness scoring for dairy cows, and body condition scoring.
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A Cage is a Cage
There has been a lot of discussion in the news lately about the “enriched” cages (also known as “colony,” “furnished” or “modified” cages) as being a good alternative housing system for laying hens.
The Humane Farm Animal Care® (HFAC) standards do not allow conventional battery cages and do not and will not allow the “enriched” cage on our program. Here are the reasons why:
Space: There is not enough space for laying hens to move around, or flap their wings.
Laying hens need space to move around; they need between 151 – 252 sq. inches to turn around and between 168 – 404 sq. inches to flap their wings. Dr. Marian Dawkins’ research showed that laying hens shunned cages with ceiling heights of less than 18” in height.
- Conventional Cages: Those that meet the United Egg Producers (UEP) standards have between 67- 76 sq. inches (depending on the size of the birds). There are unfortunately some producers that don’t meet the UEP standards and have cage sizes as small as 48 sq. inches per bird. The height of the cage is generally 14.9”
- “Enriched” Cages: There are different configurations of “enriched” cages. Small cages that hold 10 – 12 birds, medium cages that hold 15 – 30 birds” and larger cages that hold 60 birds. The usable space per bird is 93 sq. inches/bird. The height of the cage is 17.7 inches
Nest Boxes: Lack of nesting/nest box space
Laying hens are very motivated to find a suitable nest site to lay their eggs. This is an important welfare need to prevent frustration. When there is no nest box/nesting area, laying hens can exhibit stereotypical behaviors that indicate frustration.
- Conventional Cages: No nest boxes
- “Enriched” Cages: There is usually one small nest box for each cage. Birds are forced to compete for the site each day. Some hens may choose to remain in the nest box even when not laying eggs in an attempt to remove herself from the other hens in the confined space of the cage, thus preventing other hens from using the nest.
Perching/ Roosting: No elevated perches
Modern hens in production have retained the strong instinct to perch. Perching on elevated perches with their flockmates is a natural behavior which helps to conserve body heat. When hens are prevented from gaining access to an elevated perch at night they may show signs of unrest.
- Conventional Cages: No elevated perches
- “Enriched” Cages: There are no real “elevated perches” (above 16”). The perch that is in the “enriched” cage is 2 – 3” off the cage floor which does not address the need of the birds for elevated perches. It also may be difficult for the birds to move around the cage and may not be easily accessible for many of the birds in cage.
Dustbathing: Not adequate litter and area to dustbathe.
Dustbathing is an important requirement for laying hens because it contributes to both the physical and behavioral needs of the birds. Dustbathing enables the hens to recondition their feathers, remove the build-up of stale oils produced by their bodies and parasites. Dustbathing helps laying hens maintain a comfortable body temperature.
- Conventional Cages: No dustbathing
- “Enriched” Cages: There is not sufficient depth or size area for the hens to actually toss, rub and shake the litter through her feathers (in other words, dustbathe).
Laying Hens that are Certified Humane®: Barn raised, aviaries, free range and pasture raised housing systems are allowed in the Certified Humane® program. (click here for more information and photos of laying hen housing and free range requirements)
All of these systems require that:
- All hens have freedom of movement so they can space themselves in such away to allow individual hens to move from others;
- All hens have sufficient room to exercise, stretch and flap their wings;
- All hens can gain access to all the different facilities without difficulty;
- Considerably more nest boxes are available to hens allowing the hens to gain access to the nest box of their choice.
- Hens have perches are available to the hens that are high (elevated at least 16” off the ground) and low that do not detract from the overall floor area.
- Hens are provided with enough space and access to litter to be able to dustbathe where and when they choose.
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Subject: Do you believe our government should protect our food supply? If you do, read further…
Protecting our food supply consists of methods of inspection and testing not only what we grow and slaughter and ship from state to state, here at home, it’s also about inspecting and testing the food we import from other countries as well.
There are two federal agencies that are primarily responsible for Food Safety in the US and for the food that is imported into the US. That is the USDA, Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
In January the US food safety laws were amended to improve the prevention of foodborne illness. The new law would allow the FDA to conduct more inspections of domestic and foreign food producers, and work more closely with the USDA and state inspection agencies. The new act was to add 1800 new food safety inspectors.
The USDA has inspectors in meat and poultry slaughter plants and processed egg facilities. These are the inspectors (veterinarians) who examine the animals to make sure diseased animals do not get put in the food supply and check for salmonella in processed products.
On the 16th of June, the House Appropriations passed legislation by a 217-203 vote that would eliminate the necessary funds for the FDA to implement the Food Safety Modernization Act. And cut funding for the already under funded Food Safety Inspection Service (FSIS) so they would have to start firing food safety inspectors.
We all remember the baby formula scandal of product from China along with the imported pet food safety issues. There is a serious outbreak of e-coli in Germany right now. This could have been us, but for our food safety system that is currently in place.
The Chairman of the Appropriations House Subcommittee, Jack Kingston (R-GA) said, “The food supply in America is very safe because the private sector self-polices, because they have the highest motivation. They don’t want to be sued, they don’t want to go broke. They want their customers to be healthy and happy.”
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that 28,000 Americans are hospitalized every year and 3,000 die every year from tainted food.
Even the Grocery Manufacturers of America are in support of doubling the FDA’s food safety budget, in light of the recent food scandals.
Rep. Kingston also claims the high level of food safety is due to the private sector without the “nanny” state. “That’s the private sector working,” he’s quoted as saying.In reality, do you want to risk your life and the lives of your families on Rep. Kingston’s fantasy? We saw the result of de-regulation and lack of oversight in the financial sector, as we watched homes being foreclosed and savings and pension plans evaporating
If you want the FDA and the Food Safety Inspection Service at USDA fully funded, please write your Senators and let them know they need to put the funding back to provide us with safe food oversight. http://www.senate.gov/
If you want to contact your Representatives and thank those that voted against this bill, and chastise those that supported it, here is the list: http://www.house.gov/representatives/
All Democrats voted against the legislation
The following Republican Representatives voted against the legislation as well:
Rep. Justin Amash (Michigan)
Rep. Michele Bachman (Minnesota)
Rep. Joe Barton (Texas)
Rep. Paul Broun (Georgia)
Rep. John Campbell (California)
Rep. John Duncan (Tennessee)
Rep. Stephen Fincher (Tennessee)
Rep. Jeff Flake (Arizona)
Rep. Trent Franks (Arizona
Rep. Morgan Griffith (Virginia)
Rep. Walter Jones (North Carolina)
Rep. Steve King (Iowa)
Rep. Tom McClintock (California)
Rep. Jeff Miller (Florida)
Rep. Kristi Noem (South Dakota)
Rep. Ron Paul (Texas)
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (California
Rep. ave Schweikert (Arizona)Legislation Information:
Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2012
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] (introduced 6/3/2011)
House Report #: 112-101
Passed the House of Representatives on 6/16/11 by a vote of 317 – 203
6/16/2011 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Appropriations
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The Power of the Consumer – Thank You!
Thank you so much for voting with your voices as well as your pocketbooks! Your response to the blog post about The Pump restaurant in NYC really had an impact. We received hundreds of emails from you letting us know you wrote to The Pump, asking them why they’d stopped buying Certified Humane® chicken, and informing them that you would not be eating there again. Several of you started a discussion topic on The Pump’s Facebook page, and many of you posted on their blog. The response was so big that The Pump had to write a second post “attempting” to address these concerns, and then a third. The Pump did not post many of your comments to their blog page. That is unfortunate. As you can see, you do have a big impact in the marketplace by making your voices heard. Thank you so much to all of you who participated in the discussion!
To keep the momentum going, don’t forget that there are many more ways to take action and support Certified Humane®. You can download a Grocer Request Form and take it to the grocery stores and supermarkets in your area, asking them to carry Certified Humane® products. You can also start a petition to get a specific company to become Certified Humane® or to get a specific retailer to stock Certified Humane® products. Of course, to stay in touch you can sign up for our newsletters and “like” us on Facebook. Most importantly, you can “vote with your pocketbook” and buy products that are Certified Humane® – visit our Where to Buy section on our website to find retailers in your area!
Together, we will make a difference!
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Certified Humane® vs. Factory Farming
The “Pump” a restaurant chain in New York City has switched from buying Murray’s Chicken (one of our Certified Humane® producers) to purchasing commodity chicken. That of course is their prerogative, however they are implying that the commodity chicken is special and that Murray’s is the commodity product.
Previously on their blog when they announced this, they said that Murray’s buys chickens from local farms and then processes and markets the chickens themselves. “This isn’t bad per se – it’s actually quite common in the poultry business.” They then proceed to describe the commodity chicken from the industrial chicken farms as being “grown and prepared for market at one location from birth to sale.”
Murray’s does buy chickens from small local farms and then processes them in their processing plant and markets the chickens themselves. They are a Certified Humane® company which means their farms and processing plant are inspected annually to make sure they meet the highest humane standards for all aspects of their operations. Murray’s buys from small family farmers not contract growers. Their birds get the dark period they need to sleep so their growth is slowed and they don’t go to slaughter until they are older than commodity birds.
We’ve inspected the local farms Murray’s buys their chickens from and can attest to the treatment of these birds. What Murray’s does is uncommon in the poultry business. They are one of two Certified Humane® poultry producers in the US. Murray’s is not an “integrated operation.” “Integrated operations” are what is common in the poultry business in the US.
The “Pump’s” customers should be given the truth about the new chickens they are buying – common industrial chicken, commodity birds grown in integrated commercial systems, otherwise known as “Factory Farming.” The “Pump’s” new supplier has breeding facilities, hatchery facilities, feed mills and processing plants. Their operations include a farming division that has 28 company-owned farms for the chickens and more than 300 other farms.
The new supplier’s website says they employ over 2200 people, have farms in Maryland, Delaware, and North Carolina and process 2.2 million birds per week and pack about 10 million pounds of finished products per week.
Murray’s process less than 10% of the number of birds that their new supplier processes weekly.
They have changed their blog to say, their new supplier “is not commodity chicken, and as such, these birds have been raised and held to higher standards.” Whose higher standards have they been raised to?
I have already written to Elizabeth Kellogg of the Pump. It is important for people not to be fooled by PR “spin” like this. Why don’t you contact the “Pump” and let them know that you support Certified Humane® producers and products and that you are disappointed that they don’t.
Adele
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